kiwi jinfeng

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lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 06/02/2007 17:13 (ref msg # 6200 )
J'ai pu lire ici : http://www.rsnz.org/publish/nzjchs/2001/...


'Jinfeng' (syn. 'FT-79-3') was selected by Jiangxi provincial Institute of Horticulture from Hongshitou, Shixi,
Fengxin County, Jiangxi in 1979 and officially registered in 1985. The vine is very vigorous, being adaptable and
tolerant of unfavourable conditions
. It is productive and fruits mainly on longer canes. The fruit are large (averaging
c. 95 g) and ellipsoid with a brownish-yellow rather rough skin. The flesh is yellow and juicy. Fruit mature in late
September to early October. The fruit are suitable for both the fresh fruit market and processing, particularly as slices
canned in syrup. Polleniser is 'FK-78-20-1'. Illustrated in Cui (1993) and Ferguson (1999).
This cultivar has been grown experimentally outside of China under the names, 'Golden Yellow' and 'Kinpo'.

Alors que sur le sit de baumaux : http://www.graines-baumaux.fr/

Sensationnelle variété à chair jaune, très sucrée et aussi vitaminée que les variétés à chair verte, gros fruits se conservant jusque janvier, croissance robuste et vigoureuse, pour endroits abrités. 1plante en pot de 4 litres.

Que doit on en conclure sur sa résistance aux froids ? J'ai envoyé 2 mails à baumaux mais pas de réponse ... J'attends de savoir pour commander pas mal de chose ...

Merci
Axier a écrit le 06/02/2007 18:20 (ref msg # 6203 )
Il y a trois semaines, j'ai fait une question sur le kiwi "jinfeng" dans un forum américain. S'il t'intéresse:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load...

Dans ce forum, "Kiwinut" c'est un expert dans des kiwis.


Salutations
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 07:27 (ref msg # 6214 )
Merci Axier, j'avais déja lu (l'autre jours) mais je ne crois pas avoir vu la réponse à ma question ops:
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 08:15 (ref msg # 6216 )
Réponse de baumaux :

Monsieur,

Il faut le mettre à l'abri du vent et il ne descend pas en dessous de 0°C.

Sincères salutations.

GRAINES BAUMAUX

Donc je pense pas que je vais le prendre ... Le protèges tu axier ?
Axier a écrit le 07/02/2007 08:19 (ref msg # 6217 )
Dans la lien précédente, "Kiwinut" dit:

"Zespri Gold is pure A. chinensis (like Kiwi Jinfeng).....The male is very frost resistant and has only had minor frost damage"

Dans cette liaison:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load...

"Kiwinut" dit:

"I have found the Hort16A seedlings (Hort16A=Zespri Gold=A. chinensis) to be hardier than A. deliciosa (Hayward is an A. deliciosa), but I have only grown 'Elmwood' (Elmwood is a variety of A. deliciosa). I have never seen winter injury on the seedlings in 3 years, but have always had some injury to 'Elmwood'. The biggest problem with these seedlings is their very early budbreak and bloom, which makes them susceptible to spring frosts. However, they can take more frost than you would think"

Salutations
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 08:23 (ref msg # 6218 )
Merci Axier,

cepandant il parle des males, mais les femelles ?

Te concernant les protèges tu ?
Axier a écrit le 07/02/2007 09:02 (ref msg # 6220 )
I am sorry but I write very bad in french, so I am going to write in english.

I think that "Kiwinut" speaks of both, male and female, in anycase he is speaking about Zespri Gold seedlings, although they are A. chinensis, it can be more or less resistant to frost, but it is a guide.

I think that Baumaux don't endanger, it is easier for them to say that "keep the plants above 0º C" , it is assured sucess!!

I bought my kiwi Jinfeng two weeks ago, so I don't know how resistant to frost it is, in anycase I live in a zone of mild winter (rarely below -1º C).

By the way, Baumaux buy the kiwi Jinfeng to an italian nursery, in Milano:

http://www.ingegnoli.it

My kiwi carried a label of this nursery. I was searching in their web site but I didn't find anything of interest about kiwi Jinfeng.

You can search if you want, you have to put your keyword in the box "cerca", in the top right corner of the screen.

Salutations
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 09:16 (ref msg # 6221 )
Merci pour tout !

I didn't see that you are Spanish !

the weather isn't the same here (in toulouse) and in spain ...

I think you're right for baumaux ... They don't want to have probleme ...

Sorry for my bad english
Axier a écrit le 07/02/2007 09:50 (ref msg # 6223 )
"lolo_n_lolo" a écrit :
Merci pour tout !

I didn't see that you are Spanish !


It has merit with my horrible french!

"lolo_n_lolo" a écrit :
the weather isn't the same here (in toulouse) and in spain ...


My climate is practically identical to coastal French Pais Basque (Biarritz, Hendaye,...), mild temperatures in summer and winter, cloudy and rainy, although the summer, from time to time, can be sunny.

In Spain (like in France) there are very diffferent climates, for example, in Vitoria, to 65 km in the south from Bilbao, it is very frequent temperatures below 0º C, -8º C aren't rare. In Almería, south of Spain doesn't rain more of 300 lts per year and it is one of the driest zone of Europe, in Sevilla are frequent temperatures of 45º C in summer,... etc


"lolo_n_lolo" a écrit :
Sorry for my bad english


I think that your english is not bad, not worse than mine!

Salutations
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 09:59 (ref msg # 6225 )
In the countryside of toulouse, in winter we can have -17°C (in 2002 for example) ...
But generally, it is about -5°C ...

For example my passiflora can't stay outside ... So I think i won't buy Jinfeng ...
Axier a écrit le 07/02/2007 10:15 (ref msg # 6228 )
Do you have kiwis like Hayward or similar? do they survive the Tolouse winters? if so, you can graft Kiwi jinfeng on it and to try it. You can graft in "T" or chip budding like one lateral branch more. I have grafted kiwis and they are easy to graft.

You don't lose anything for trying.
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 10:35 (ref msg # 6231 )
Why not,

Hayward, no probleme, it can survive to -15°C ... And more ...

It's a good idea ...

The Jinfeng sold by baumaux is enought big to graft the first year ?
Axier a écrit le 07/02/2007 11:22 (ref msg # 6235 )
I think that it is 70 cm high (more or less). It has a diameter comparable to a pencil.

You can cut it to 2 or 3 buds (really you have to do it to obtain a future vigorous trunk) and you can use the cuttings obtained for graftings. You will get several little buds to try chip budding onto your Hayward.

Mid May or September are good times to chip bud. Don't graft over aged wood. The best is 1 or 2 year old branches.

I got good results in September with chip budding, 5 grafts onto the same year wood and 100 %succes. I will see in the spring...

Good luck!
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 07/02/2007 11:53 (ref msg # 6237 )
Ok, i will do that !
autrevie a écrit le 08/02/2007 10:21 (ref msg # 6300 )
thank Axier,your info are interesting
how do you graft?,what's manner? tel we all....please
it is possible to graft inter species(arguta x deliciosa,delicosa x arguta etc...?)
graft the not winter hardy verietys on arguta render the party graft more resistant to the cold?

i hade listent to speack:the male is graft on the female for cross pollinat
togather at even time
have you information about it?
have you ever see or practice?

my haywar plant have ride out at -20c in my winter
but the Tumori is more less resistant(-15)

Thank you
lolo_n_lolo a écrit le 08/02/2007 10:31 (ref msg # 6303 )
"autrevie" a écrit :

have you information about it?
have you ever see or practice?


Good question !

I have "bouturé" the male in order to graft female, and so to have more female. But you idea to graft both on the same actinidia is a good idea !
Axier a écrit le 08/02/2007 11:15 (ref msg # 6318 )
"autrevie" a écrit :
how do you graft?,what's manner? tel we all....please


I graft with the chip budding or "T" budding method, it depends on the season (if the sap flows I prefer "T" budding). The technique is the same that for other fruit trees.

"autrevie" a écrit :
it is possible to graft inter species(arguta x deliciosa,delicosa x arguta etc...?)


In the case of A. chinensis<>A. deliciosa yes. The other species I think so but I am not sure. I have not tested it.

"autrevie" a écrit :
graft the not winter hardy verietys on arguta render the party graft more resistant to the cold?


Not, if you graft a tender variety over a hardier rootstock and there is a big frost, the grafted variety will die and the rootstock can survive or die. This is applicable to any kind of plant. Maybe you can contribute to a little bit more resistance for the tender variety, but in any case the improvement would be very limited.

"autrevie" a écrit :
i hade listent to speack:the male is graft on the female for cross pollinat
togather at even time


I think so, why not? but you must control the vigor of the male, it tends to be more vigorous than female.

"autrevie" a écrit :
have you information about it?


Not, I haven't

"autrevie" a écrit :
have you ever see or practice?


I have grafted this summer a Hayward over a Tomuri male, but my intention is to change the sex of the entire plant. I don't like both sexes in the same plant (at the moment). I know people that have done this with success, and it has been practiced in kiwi farmings to add more males or vice versa.

Salutations
autrevie a écrit le 08/02/2007 11:33 (ref msg # 6323 )
thank you!
i like speak and reade to you
do you undersand the other themes( write in French)?

do you know where we can buy a lot of actinidia species?
Weiki ® Nostino ®, Abbot / Alison,Chinabelle ®,Ken's red,hardy red,etc..
etc...?
And have you ever try the taking of cutting?
what's way do you do?
thank you (very much)
it's a pleasure to have to meat you here.
Axier a écrit le 08/02/2007 12:12 (ref msg # 6324 )
I can read french and I understand enough, but I don't speak french.

It is difficult for me to write in fench, but it is easier to read.

If you want, you can write in french, by my side no problem!

I don't know where you can buy those varieties. I only have Tomuri, Hayward and Jinfeng. Tomuri and Hayward are in any nursery, and I have bought Jinfeng in Baumaux.

A lot of kiwi varieties are patented, so they only are available for professionals (paying royalties to the licence owner). France is one of the principal kiwi producers, and it has been created several new varieties.

In Spain is difficult to find other varieties than Hayward.

I have not tried kiwi cuttings propagation, but you can find helpful information in this post:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load...

Thank you for your words.

Salutations
José Ruivo a écrit le 08/05/2007 20:29 (ref msg # 8598 )
Bonjour,
Ce printemps on m'a fait cadeau d'un kiwi jinfenf (acheté chez Baumaux).
Pourtant je trouve les feuilles assez bizarres par rapport aux feuilles des varietés d'actinidia deliciosa et d'actinidia chinensis que je connais.
Comme il y a du monde qui a acheté aussi cette varieté, j'aimerais savoir si les feuilles de vos kiwis se rassemblent à celles du mien. Voilá deux photos:







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